Taki's Trash, Slivka's Scum and Other Charming Sentiments
Jacob Weisberg, Manhattan
Taki replies: In my opinion, Weisberg did minimize that subject. The day I apologize to a midget like Weisberg, pigs will fly.
Ross Willett, Manhattan
Keep up the good fight!
Michael Chapman, Maurertown, VA
A.H. Watson, Holden Beach, NC
Name Withheld, Manhattan
An article about liberal white do-gooder churchgoers failing to understand racism could have been funny, but it was not. It could have been incisive, but it was not. It could have been moving, but it was not. Slivka bungled every angle on this story.
Slivka is right that there's no easy way out of racism. But there's an easy way to make it worse, and he's doing a fine job.
Robert Lane Greene, Brooklyn
I reside in Brooklyn Heights. I have myriad black and other neighbors, and we are all friends. The Heights has a history of political savvy going back more than 150 years. I am not a European. I am an American going back three generations. I don't wear flapping sandals and I never say "by gum."
Slivka lies, and has a mind, if any, that is closed. I guess you hired him because it is hard to find people dumb enough to write for your rag.
The "extreme radicals" quoted by Slivka were trying to create a dialogue, and this was well-understood by those present. Slivka exposes his own anti-black prejudice by portraying them as "crazies" who frighten white people.
Get lost, Slivka. Stop trying to aggrandize yourself. It doesn't work.
Edith Hartig, Brooklyn
Andrey Slivka replies: Since I never used the pejorative formulations "extreme radicals" and "crazies" in my article about the intersection of aggrieved blacks and dishonest simpering whites, I have no idea why Hartig puts them in quotes in her letter.
Also, I never accused Hartig or anyone else of being European?which, I agree, is a depressing thing to be, and especially Belgian. I wrote about a man at the forum who described himself as being Western European.
Hartig is to be commended for befriending her black neighbors in Brooklyn Heights.
Finally, I don't believe that Hartig never says "by gum." I'll bet she says it all the time.
No matter how much the liberals and feminists try to interfere with the military so that it doesn't offend their precious left-wing sensibilities (these cowards who would do anything to avoid serving themselves), unfortunately war remains the same. And the training is supposed to respond to the needs of war, not liberal outrage. The Army does not exist to provide equal opportunity. It exists to defend the country?to kill people. That is its only purpose.
Politicians should not try to tamper with the military, any more than they should butt in and overrule doctors treating a seriously ill patient. They're not qualified to talk about military matters. Let the guys who are experienced career soldiers and have risen in the organization presumably on merit (that rules out Secretary of Defense William Cohen, by the way) make the decisions about how the organization is run?especially how to train recruits. It's really not something for amateurs.
George Patton used to say that it took 10 years for an officer to start earning his pay. Experience is irreplaceable in war; there's just no getting around it.
I have heard some of these women promoting sex equality in the military say the stupidest things?for example, that because of all the high-tech junk used in war today, physical strength is not crucial. That is totally false. Of course these people, so full of contempt for the military in the first place, have never come within 1000 miles of a war zone and have never even seen an army except on tv. They think that wars are fought by remote control or something.
The Israelis don't let women do combat duty with men. Not because they're sexist pigs, but because they have found that the men tend to go off their heads when they see their female comrades get really hurt. The Israelis, whose survival depends on the army in a much more real sense than ours does, have concluded that it is simply counterproductive to pretend that women and men are equal. But that kind of thinking could never fly among the leftists in the White House.
Real warriors are attracted to the traditional all-male military culture and are completely disgusted with the candy-ass, lying organization the U.S. Army has become. Consequently, the Army is hemorrhaging talent. Meanwhile they keep lowering their standards to accommodate the femmes and keep the numbers up. As Col. David Hackworth (retired) put it, "We're back to the quantity over quality system that produced Lt. William Calley of My Lai shame and filled so many body bags in Vietnam. The Army should follow the Marines' example and push for higher standards?not lower. The Corps continues to make its boot training tougher, and the line to become a Leatherneck grows longer."
Joe Rodrigue, New Haven
Lauren Wissot, Manhattan
Actually, I've noticed my generation heading uptown lately. For example, tonight I hit Elaine's with a couple of Oriental girls I know. The place was packed because of the Oscars thing, but Generation-Xers prevailed in the end. Maybe you will stop by my table for a drink; I'm afraid your Taki is still sore because of the fanny pack/cellphone revelation.
P.S.: Mr. O'Toole, who opposed me in "The Mail" a few weeks ago (3/8), is a goddamn bum. He is a pussy and I will kick his ass. I'd bet my .22 Beretta over his Walther semi any day.
Tom Phillips, Manhattan
Then there's Signorile's assertion that "everyone has a right to lobby a private company not to promote hate." This is true, as far as it goes (again, "hate" is a highly loaded word, and while Dr. Laura certainly doesn't approve of homosexuality, that doesn't make her an advocate of "hate"), and boycotts and protests are an effective tool to communicate distaste for a company's policies, but there's a difference between lobbying and threatening, just as there is a difference between persuasion and extortion.
Signorile then goes on to say, "No government entity has told Schlessinger or Paramount to refrain from making antigay remarks; if Paramount scraps the show it will do so voluntarily, if under pressure." Uh, no. While only a government can use the law to censor dissent, that isn't the only form of censorship that can occur in our society. When black students at a major university stole the entire print run of the school paper and destroyed it to prevent one column from being read, they censored it as effectively as any state institution could have. Paramount may scrap the show, but it will do so under duress, which is hardly voluntary. A contract signed under duress is not legally binding, for the obvious reason that it is not voluntary. Similarly, an agreement reached with activists who use threats and intimidation is no agreement, but simple capitulation to extortion. By Signorile's logic, abortion clinics that close in the face of protests are doing so "voluntarily, if under pressure."
When protesters block the gates of a studio and harass and threaten studio employees, they are doing through intimidation what they cannot do through the law. It's still censorship, it just isn't being done by the government.
Any minority that claims the right to use these techniques against the majority has no right to complain when they are on the receiving end of those tactics. Michelangelo Signorile would do well to remember that.
Mike Harris, Los Angeles
Michelangelo Signorile replies: Whether you're gay or straight, publicly speaking out against your employer on any issue is not going to keep you in good graces?particularly when you may be damaging your company's ability to make millions of dollars. Where you get the idea that the gay staffers could speak up with impunity, I don't know. But your fear of how gays might "exert control" in the industry sounds suspiciously like what we've historically heard from certain quarters about Jews, too. I think we know exactly where you are coming from, sir. Your false assertions are not much different from Schlessinger's own distortions of reality. For example, no media reported that people blocked the gates of Paramount and harassed employees. In fact, according to those who were present, police worked with protesters and gave them their space. Protesters even cheered employees driving in, who honked their horns in solidarity.
And you compare apples and oranges. Destroying the school papers was a crime, and should be punished. Blocking access to abortion clinics is a crime as well. Gay activists are doing nothing illegal. The criticism of Paramount is occurring within the realm of the law and of the marketplace. The multibillion-dollar entertainment conglomerate that owns Paramount?Viacom/CBS?may decide it is not worth it to produce the show. It may decide that the upside?the money it could make in the short term?may not be worth the potential damage to the company's image, and thus loss of more millions. Or it may decide that it is worth it?which so far seems to be the case. Companies like Paramount make such strategic decisions every day, based on many factors weighing on the marketplace. It's perfectly legal and moral for activists?yes, even including religious right activists?and the communities they represent to be among the factors that weigh on the marketplace as well.
However, I will leave this issue to the very organization that many years ago famously defended the rights of Nazis to march down the streets of Skokie, IL, as reported in the Los Angeles Times on March 20: "According to Peter J. Eliasberg, a staff attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California, Paramount might be well-advised to heed the protesters, saying much of what Schlessinger has said is 'homophobic and hateful.' Programmers, he added, make choices about what to put on all the time, and whether something might alienate a segment of the population is a legitimate consideration. 'It's not censorship in the way I look at it because it's not the government,' Eliasberg said."
So here in Berlin I tried to find a new "Byte Me" column by Tabb. (The column said at the end: "Every week in this space...") But I cannot even find the one from the 3/1 edition online. Can it be possible that I miss the best part of New York Press when I read it online?
Marc Bachhofen, Berlin, Germany
Name Withheld, Brooklyn
Gordon Fitch, Staten Island
Rick Sherman, Manhattan
Hitler was a rabid dog without a leash. Giuliani is a rabid dog with a somewhat weakened leash. If he ever tears from his leash completely, we won't need art exhibits to remind us of the Nazis, we'll be firsthand witnesses.
Canaan Parker, Manhattan
Jenn Tisdale, Los Angeles
Charles O'Connor, Los Angeles
Other than that, your paper is great. Send Tanya packing and get a woman who can write. There are plenty of them.
Peter Wilson, Tokyo
(Lest you get the wrong idea, I'm no particular fan of the late princess, but I'm even less a fan of intellectual laziness and bad writing. And while we're on the subject, couldn't Richardson find something more original than Britons' supposed repression to single out? The words "shoot," "fish" and "barrel" come to mind.)
Given Richardson's aforementioned contempt, I'm not really surprised that she couldn't be bothered to spell Croydon correctly, although I'd like to know what excuse your editorial staff has for missing such an obvious clanger. I'm not standing up in defense of the place, which is a typical postwar suburb with lots of bomb-shelter-style architecture, but pace Richardson's comments on the town's name, I will concede that it doesn't carry any of the pastoral allusions of, say, Levittown or Massapequa.
Oh, and as for Oasis, too bad you had to waste column inches on The Most Overhyped Band In History, particularly when Richardson herself concedes that they "are, at best, putting out a watered-down version of rock," and that "most Oasis albums contain only a few gems." The next time you tackle the UK music scene, perhaps you could find a subject of actual interest and a less narrow-minded correspondent.
Dan Weeks, LONDON
AIDS is a noninfectious, corporate government construct supported by fear, fabricated correlations and an invalidated test. New York Press has reported on an HIV dissident argument. Wonderful. Now we would like to see a report on the AIDS dissident argument.
Tiger invites harsh judgment against those who achieve good by working through that community, and he therefore teaches the practice he deplores. Let's look for role models who demonstrate clarity of thought, open-mindedness to those who begin their thinking from different points of departure and the ability to work with self-centered individuals and communities. Values cannot be hammered home like nails, but are learned from the examples set by others?from role models.
Anthony Burton, Amherst, MA
I think this same unfortunate problem applies to the realm of political commentary as well. But an additional pressure on quality is added?typically, all a columnist requires is the desired ideology and people won't care about poor quality in writing, logic or research. And the pressure of writing a regular column, whether anything of note has actually occurred since the last one, can't be ignored. Sadly, this goes a long way in my mind toward explaining why after reading all the columnists of, say, The New York Times (although almost any publication will do), the typical reader is less informed than before he started.
Kevin Murphy, St. Louis
Many of your readers are too young, I'm sure, to remember the Great Twinkie Embargo of 1974. The memory of that terror is burned into my childhood. The long lines at convenience stores, the rationing that permitted purchase of Twinkies only on alternate days, the mocking signs in supermarket windows that read simply "No Twinkies." Our government, reeling with the humiliation of Watergate, was crippled by the pastry embargo enforced by OTEC. It looked as though the doomsayers' promise of the collapse of civilization was coming to fruition. Fights would break out on the lines as tensions rose. Real sugar-guzzlers (fat kids) would have their windows broken. Hardware stores brazenly advertised siphons that could remove the creamy filling from your neighbor's Twinkie in mere minutes?and cheerfully sold breadbox locks to your neighbor as well. Zingers went on the black market for five dollars a pop (the "Zing Nickel," as the pushers called them).
Fortunately, the crisis, and the threatened war on OTEC, passed, and we began the long climb to our current prosperity. But we must be vigilant lest this new scarcity of delicious confections plunges us back into despair. I leave you with one provocative question: Does Vice President Gore own any shares in Occidental Foodstuffs?
Mark Amundsen, Monroe, NY
To say that Wise "draws on...scientific evidence" is like saying Al Sharpton "draws on" the legacy of Martin Luther King. What Wise actually does is to shamefully abuse scientific evidence, selectively employing just so much of that evidence as can be twisted into a simulacrum of support for his sophistry and special pleading. In just the same way, Wise rips from context his historical, legal and political texts to assemble a crazy-quilt argument that is repugnant to any common-sense interpretation of the facts. Prof. Stern appeals to authority, citing Roger Fouts, Jane Goodall and Jeremy Bentham. He deploys glittering generalities about "the interconnectedness of humans and animals." He tries to dress his argument in the prestige of expertise, trotting out "the many new discoveries that have been made in both the physical and social sciences." What Prof. Stern never does, however, is argue?there is not even the shadow of a valid syllogism in his letter to convince me or anyone else of the "rights" of apes. The same is true of Steven Wise, whose book combines a rhetorical shell game with maudlin sentimental appeals.
As for Mr. Giehl, he begins by taking issue with my characterization of the "Primate Freedom Tour" crowd as malodorous bohemians. He claims that the "cause of animal rights...is by no means a monolithic movement dominated by people who pierce their eyebrows and wear torn jeans." Well, obviously not: Steven Wise has held lectureships at several prestigious universities and managed to con a major commercial publishing house into giving him a book deal. So, yes, there must be some superficially reputable people involved in this otherwise disreputable "cause." But the cold fact of the matter is that the protesters who showed up in Washington to burn Donna Shalala in effigy were just as I described them?smelly examples of "alternative" youth culture?which suggested to me that this is a fringe movement without significant popular support in mainstream America. That was the point I was trying to make; perhaps next time I shall dispense with the subtlety and just SPELL EVERYTHING OUT IN BIG LETTERS for those who are too thick to take the hint.
Like Prof. Stern, Mr. Giehl appeals to authority by citing the names of various academics at prestigious institutions who have "championed animal rights." Yes, and I could rattle off a list of academics at equally prestigious institutions who have "championed" eugenics, white supremacy, gay rights or revolutionary Marxism, but that would prove nothing. Mr. Giehl replicates the error of Wise as he proudly enlists the animal rights movement in the ranks of those "fanatics who opposed the burning of witches, the slave trade, religious intolerance and the oppression of women." Okay, Mr. Giehl, let's play along: a witch, an African slave, a Protestant and a woman are all morally equivalent to an ape. To paraphrase an old Sesame Street jingle, which of these things is not like the others? Whatever we may think of witches, slaves, Protestants or women, all are inarguably human. An ape is not human. Unless you wish to argue that "human" is an invalid category, your analogy falls apart when it is extended to apes. And if you attempt to argue against the validity of "human" as a category, you open up a very dangerous can of worms. If I must SPELL THINGS OUT for you, sir, the attempt to humanize apes invites the dehumanization of those humans who are not quite so cute and cuddly as Koko the gorilla?very dangerous, I repeat. Mr. Giehl remarks that "some people have the notion that they are somehow superior to others...[whom] they deem to be inferior."
I hate to burst your egalitarian bubble, Mr. Giehl, but some people actually are superior to other people. Russ Smith, for example, being a successful publisher, has in some sense demonstrated his superiority to us poor working drudges who are dependent upon his benevolence for the occasional freelance gig. Even more spectacularly have humans demonstrated their superiority to apes. With the determinist faith of the old-style Marxists who saw in every headline an omen of the final collapse of capitalism, Mr. Giehl sees the animal rights "struggle" as the "next frontier in the struggle for justice and fairness," and urges me to "get used to it." Oh, please. Mr. Giehl is parading his own moral superiority, claiming to be so far ahead of us workaday shmoes as to have reached the "next frontier." We are all now supposed to genuflect in the presence of his awesome virtue. Excuse me if I remain standing. However much amusement I have derived from the epistles of Messrs. Stern and Giehl, their arguments would be much more impressive if they were made by the apes themselves. As it is, I suspect that they are just two middle-class white liberals who have gone searching for a cause and, finding no humans crying out for their patronizing condescension, are happy to have lucked upon a constituency that mutely accepts their advocacy. This is truly a match made in heaven.
Robert Stacy McCain, Gaithersburg, MD